House for sale - less than 500000 euros - Durbuy (6940) (page 2)

Honesty vous présente cette spacieuse maison de caractère idéalement située à Barvaux-sur-Ourthe, dans un quartier calme et proche des commerces, écoles, transports et du Ravel touristique vers Durbuy. Rare sur le marché, elle offre de beaux volumes, un magnifique jardin arboré et une grande flexibilité d’usage. Actuellement composée d'une habitation principale et une annexe, le bien peut convenir à une habitation familiale, une seconde résidence, un projet intergénérationnel, activité libérale, bureau, gîte (avis de principe communal déjà obtenu en 2025) ou un projet locatif moyennant obtention des autorisations nécessaires. La création officielle de deux unités de logement indépendants est en cours de régularisation à l’urbanisme. (le bien étant par ailleurs exploité de la sorte depuis 2001) La partie principale n°53 (PEB B), soignée et confortable, comprend 4 chambres dont une suite parentale avec dressing, un bureau, un salon avec cassette, une cuisine équipée ouverte sur la terrasse et deux salles de bain modernes. Domotique, photovoltaïque, câblage informatique et vidéophonie ajoutent confort et modernité. La seconde partie n°51 (PEB D) dispose d’une entrée indépendante, une cuisine, un séjour, 4 chambres, 2 sanitaires et d’un espace professionnel avec accès distinct à rue, renforçant la polyvalence du bien. À l’extérieur, une agréable terrasse orientée ouest et un grand jardin verdoyant invitent à la détente. À deux pas de Durbuy, cette maison est une opportunité unique. Pour toute information ou organiser une visite, n’hésitez pas à nous contacter ### Want to know more?

This charming bungalow, listed for sale at 65,000 €, is located in the scenic Durbuy Sunclass Holiday Park. It boasts a central location within the park, offering easy access to amenities while being surrounded by lush greenery. Built in 1970, this property spans two floors and provides a cozy living space. On the ground floor, you'll find a spacious living area that includes a lounge, dining room, and partially equipped kitchen, along with a shower room that features a toilet. The property is heated with gas, ensuring comfortable temperatures throughout your stay. The first floor of the bungalow houses two bedrooms that can accommodate up to four people, making it an ideal holiday home for small families or groups. The total living area is 54 m², providing ample space for relaxation and leisure. The property comes fully furnished, ready for immediate use by its new owners. Outside, there is a pleasant terrace where you can enjoy the tranquility and natural beauty of the surroundings, adding to the appeal of this lovely vacation spot. Parking is conveniently accessible, ensuring that you have no trouble during your visits. It is important to note that due to its location within a holiday park, permanent residency is not permitted. However, this makes it a perfect investment for those seeking a holiday retreat in the heart of Durbuy’s picturesque landscape. For any additional information regarding park fees, interested parties are encouraged to contact ### . Want to know more?

Gîte autorisé pour 14 personnes bénéficiant d'une magnifique situation dans le Domaine de Bellevue, à 5 km de Durbuy. Le bâtiment est implanté sur une vaste parcelle de 1.559 m² et est composé comme suit : RDC : séjour avec cuisine ouverte, hall de nuit, 2 chambres, salle de bain, garage et espace de rangement ; +1 : vaste séjour avec feu à bois, cuisine équipée, hall de nuit, 3 chambres, salle de bain, bureau, grande terrasse ensoleillée offrant une jolie vue sur la vallée. Le bien est composé de deux entités indépendantes (le rdc est autorisé comme gîte pour 5 p. et l'étage pour 9 p.) Equipements : châssis double vitrage en PVC, nouvelle cuisine à l'étage, terrain de pétanque, installation électrique conforme... Endroit calme et privilégié. Ce bien est idéal pour un investissement mais également pour une première ou seconde résidence! Plus d'infos et visites : ### ### - ### ### Want to know more?

This newly constructed residence is located in Bomal, a tranquil neighborhood within the city of Durbuy. Situated on a spacious 606 m² plot, the property offers a peaceful setting ideal for those seeking a modern and comfortable home. The house features three facades with a south-western orientation, providing good natural light and a pleasant outdoor environment, including a garden perfect for outdoor activities or relaxation. Inside, the property boasts a total living area of approximately 105 m², with a well-designed layout that includes an entrance hall, a storage room, a separate toilet, a laundry room, and a kitchen connected to a living/dining area of about 32 m². The first floor comprises a corridor that leads to three bedrooms, a shower room, and a bathroom. The residence is equipped with essential sanitary facilities, including one bathroom with a shower and two toilets. Constructed in 2024, the property is sold under the TVA regime and features modern energy efficiency standards with an EPC rating of 76 kWh/m²/year. Its exterior includes a sizable garden and water connection, making it suitable for various outdoor uses. The location offers a peaceful environment while remaining accessible to local amenities and services in Durbuy. Want to know more?

This newly constructed residence is located at Au-dessus des Hans 16 in the peaceful residential area of Bomal, within the municipality of Durbuy. Built in 2024, this traditional three-facade home sits on a 616 m² plot, offering a private garden and a terrace perfect for outdoor living. The property is oriented southwest, allowing for ample natural light to fill the living spaces throughout the day. The house features a practical layout spread over approximately 105 m² of living space. On the ground floor, you will find an entrance hall, a separate toilet, a storage room, a kitchen (not included), and a spacious living and dining area. Upstairs, there are three bedrooms, a bathroom, and a shower room, providing comfortable accommodation for family or guests. The residence is equipped with a heat pump for heating and comes delivered key-ready, excluding the kitchen. Externally, the property includes parking for two vehicles and benefits from water connection. Its location in a quiet neighborhood makes it suitable for those seeking a peaceful environment while still being close to amenities. This home offers a functional design with energy efficiency in mind, featuring an energy performance certificate indicating an annual primary energy consumption of 74 kWh/m². For further details or to arrange a visit, contact MCA Immobilier. Want to know more?

Chalet situé dans l'agréable parc de vacances ''Sunclass'' situé à 2km du centre de Durbuy. Ce chalet peut accueillir 4 personnes et se compose de deux chambres avec un hall de nuit pouvant servir de 5ième place de couchage, une salle de douche avec lavabo et wc, un salon/salle à manger et un coin cuisine. Grande terrasse et parking aisé, mobilier compris. L'endroit est calme et paisible, idéal pour profiter d'un séjour en famille ou entre amis. Le parc bénéficie de nombreuses infrastructures telles que : piscine intérieure chauffée, restaurant, aires de BBQ, plaine de jeux, laverie... Il est également possible d'y pratiquer différents sports tels que : football, basket, badminton, tennis, pétanque... Un service de mise en location est également disponible via le parc. Il s'agit d'un parc de vacances donc pas de domiciliation possible. Pour toutes questions ou informations supplémentaires, contactez nous via l'adresse mail: ### Want to know more?

Nestled in the picturesque Sunclass Holiday Park in Durbuy, this charming bungalow presents an ideal retreat in a tranquil vacation setting. Priced attractively at €78,000, this property is perfectly located at the heart of the park, providing easy access to its amenities, including an indoor swimming pool and tennis courts. Built-in 1970, the bungalow spans 74 m² of living space and comes fully furnished, offering a comfortable and ready-to-enjoy home away from home. The ground floor of the bungalow features a spacious living area that combines a cozy lounge, dining space, and a modernized kitchen corner. A recent renovation has refreshed both the bathroom and kitchen, ensuring contemporary comfort with a shower room and toilet conveniently located on this level. Upstairs, you will find two bedrooms and an additional sleeping area capable of accommodating five people, making it an excellent choice for family gatherings or group vacations. Underneath the bungalow, a basement provides ample storage space for all your holiday gear. Outside, an elevated terrace offers a delightful spot to relax and soak in the serene environment. Parking is straightforward with space available directly in front of the bungalow. The property benefits from gas heating and connections to essential utilities such as gas and water, ensuring a hassle-free stay. Located in a designated recreational area, this bungalow cannot be used as a permanent residence but serves as an ideal vacation spot. For more information about park rates or other inquiries, please contact ### . Want to know more?

This property is a charming house located in the village of Verlaine, within the municipality of Durbuy. Situated on a 635 m² plot of land, it offers approximately 147 m² of habitable space. The house was built in 2000 and is currently in need of renovation, providing an opportunity for buyers to personalize and update the property to their preferences. On the ground floor, you'll find an entrance hall that leads into a living room equipped with a pellet stove, a dining area, a semi-open kitchen, and a separate toilet. A garage is also accessible from the ground level. The first floor features a hallway that connects three bedrooms, a bathroom, and an additional hall that can serve as an office or study space. Outside, there is a garden with a terrace and a backyard, along with an extra building used for storage. The property benefits from a south-facing front façade with four exterior walls and water connection. It is not located in a flood-prone area, and the energy performance certificate indicates a primary energy consumption of 407 kWh/m² per year, valid until June 2035. This home offers potential for renovation in a peaceful setting close to Durbuy’s scenic surroundings. Want to know more?

Nestled in the picturesque city of Durbuy, this expansive residence at Basse Cour 22 offers a unique opportunity for those seeking a property with potential. The home boasts a generous living area of 444 m² spread across three floors, comprising of seven bedrooms and seven bathrooms, providing ample space for a large family or guest accommodations. The property is in need of renovation, offering a blank canvas for personalization to suit your taste and style. The residence is situated on a substantial plot measuring 3,677 m², including a garden space of 2,600 m² perfect for outdoor activities and relaxation. With a northern façade orientation, it offers a comfortable living environment throughout the seasons. The property features a loft space and a sizable garage of 47 m², providing additional storage and parking solutions. Heating is provided by wood, ensuring a cozy atmosphere during cooler months. Though not equipped with an elevator or specific facilities for disabled access, the accommodation's charm lies in its potential for tailored renovations. Energy performance is marked by an EPC rating with a specific primary energy consumption of 455 kWh/m²/year. Located in a serene environment yet easily accessible, this property is ideal for those looking to invest in a home with character and space in the heart of Durbuy. Want to know more?

Era labelimmo offers you this residential caravan site located in the Val de L'Ourthe domain, 5 minutes from the centre of Durbuy. Ideal as a holiday home you can enjoy the nature and all the local tourist activities. The caravan consists of a living room, a kitchen, a bedroom and a bathroom with toilet, hot/cold water sink, washing machine (new) and possibility to install a shower. It has gas heating, a new arbour, private parking, a terrace, a garden shed and a private septic tank. Electricity in conformity. Want to know more?

Discover this exceptional residence for sale in Durbuy, a true oasis of comfort and luxury nestled in the heart of the Ardennes. Priced at €495,000, this beautifully maintained, fully furnished villa offers an outstanding combination of tranquility, modern amenities, and proximity to the vibrant tourist hub of Durbuy. Located at Tier de Rome 12, this property stands out as an ideal primary residence or secondary home for those seeking a peaceful retreat with easy access to the region’s renowned natural and cultural attractions. This property, built in 2010 and occupying a total surface of 191 m² of habitable space, boasts a thoughtfully designed layout featuring three spacious bedrooms, a large bathroom, a luminous living area, an integrated kitchen with a central island, and high-end finishes throughout. The villa’s interior is tastefully decorated, making it move-in ready, and it comes complete with furniture and appliances, ensuring immediate comfort from day one. Its strategic position ensures privacy and serenity while offering quick access to Durbuy’s lively culinary scene with over 20 restaurants. The outdoor area is equally impressive, with a south-west facing garden extending over 631 m², a 40 m² terrace perfect for entertaining guests or relaxing after a day in the Ardennes, and a private spa area including a Jacuzzi, infrared sauna, outdoor Tø sauna, and a duo-bath with massage jets—every detail has been carefully considered to promote well-being. For outdoor enthusiasts, walking and mountain biking routes are just steps from the doorstep, allowing residents to fully enjoy the stunning natural landscape surrounding this picturesque village. This property also excels on the energy front, boasting an EPC label B thanks to its modern heating system featuring a heat pump, a hybrid gas-electric system, and 14 photovoltaic solar panels, making it an environmentally friendly choice with significant energy savings. The villa includes a spacious garage of 27 m² and additional parking facilities. The property’s construction incorporates double glazing and complies with all relevant certification standards, including a certificate for electrical installation. Its location on a tranquil street within a peaceful residential neighborhood on the heights of Durbuy ensures privacy and exclusivity, avoiding the tourist rental restrictions in place elsewhere. Whether you are looking for a permanent residence or a luxurious holiday home in the Ardennes, this residence offers the perfect blend of comfort, style, and natural beauty. Contact Dirk at ### or Isabelle at ### today to arrange a visit or request further details and take the first step toward making this superb property your new home in Durbuy. Want to know more?

VENDU!! MCA Immobilier vous propose dans le PARC DE VACANCES SUNCLASS DURBUY, ce bungalow au n°79. Il est idéalement situé, en bordure du parc avec beaucoup d'intimité/privacy ! Très grande cave sous l'ensemble, idéal pour y mettre des vélos, équipements de jardins! Le chalet est aménagé comme suit : au rez-de-chaussée vous trouverez un grand séjour ouvert très lumineux comprenant un salon, une salle à manger et une cuisine et une salle de bain. A l'étage se trouve 2 chambres et un hall de nuit pouvant servir de 5ième place de couchage. A l'extérieur vous profiterez d'une belle terrasse avec vue sur la forêt ! Pour toutes questions concernant le parc et ses bungalows, merci de nous contacter uniquement par email: ### . Pas de domicile possible. Want to know more?

Discover this charming bungalow for sale in the picturesque town of Durbuy, offering a fantastic opportunity to enjoy a tranquil holiday home in a scenic park setting. Priced at €79,500, this property is an ideal investment for those seeking a peaceful retreat or a vacation getaway in the Belgian countryside. With a total living area of approximately 74 m², this well-maintained bungalow features three bedrooms, making it suitable for families or groups of friends. The property is fully furnished, providing a ready-to-use space that combines comfort and practicality. Its layout includes a spacious ground-floor living area consisting of a sitting room, dining space, and a kitchenette, as well as a bathroom with a shower and toilet. Upstairs, there are two bedrooms plus an additional sleeping area that can accommodate up to five occupants, making it highly versatile for different needs. Outside, the property boasts a pleasant terrace where residents can relax and enjoy the outdoor environment, complemented by features such as water and gas connections, and four-sided construction. The home benefits from gas heating, ensuring warmth during cooler months, and adheres to building standards with no flood risk in the area. Located within the renowned Durbuy Sunclass holiday park, this bungalow benefits from an ideal central position within the park, close to all amenities and recreational facilities. The area around Durbuy is celebrated for its natural beauty, offering a variety of outdoor activities such as hiking, cycling, and exploring the scenic Ardennes landscape. The park itself is designed for leisure and relaxation, making it an attractive location for vacationers or those looking to escape the hustle and bustle of city life. The property’s construction dates back to 1970 but has been kept in good condition, with no current rental obligations, giving new owners the flexibility to use it personally or as an investment. It’s important to note that this property is situated within a holiday park and cannot serve as a primary residence, which makes it particularly suitable for seasonal use or short-term rentals. If you are interested in acquiring this delightful holiday bungalow or wish to learn more about the Durbuy Sunclass park and its amenities, do not hesitate to contact us. This property presents a unique opportunity to own a piece of the Belgian Ardennes in a well-established recreational setting. Whether you are seeking a peaceful retreat, an investment property, or a weekend escape, this bungalow offers both comfort and convenience in one of Belgium’s most charming regions. Reach out today to arrange a viewing or to receive further details about this exceptional opportunity in Durbuy. Want to know more?

This property is a spacious residence located in the peaceful village of Bohon, near Durbuy. Built in 2005, the house sits on a 1,398 m² plot of land and offers approximately 170 m² of living space. The layout includes four bedrooms, making it suitable for families or those needing extra space, along with two bathrooms and an additional toilet for convenience. The interior features open and bright rooms, including a living room with a wood stove that leads to the kitchen and terrace, ideal for outdoor dining and relaxation. The ground floor also provides versatile space that can be used as a wellness area, guest room, or home office, along with a garage that offers storage and utility space. The house benefits from central oil heating and PVC double-glazed windows, ensuring comfort throughout the year. Outside, there are two parking spaces and four-sided facades, with the total land area allowing for potential landscaping or outdoor activities. Located in a quiet area with unobstructed views, this property is available for occupancy from May 2026. It is not currently rented and is ready for personalized updates. The surrounding environment is free from flood risk, and the property has been certified compliant with electrical safety standards. Overall, this residence offers a combination of space, comfort, and tranquility in a scenic setting near Durbuy. Want to know more?

Nouvelle construction 4 façades, 3 chambres avec jardin et carport située dans une rue tranquille et verdoyante du village de Petit-Han. Cette charmante maison séduit par son environnement paisible et son confort agréable moderne. Implantée sur un terrain de 821m² orienté Est, elle offre un cadre de vie chaleureux, économe et proche de la nature. Le rez-de-chaussée comprend un hall d'entrée, un WC séparé, un séjour lumineux ouvert sur une cuisine et d'une buanderie avec accès au jardin. Une terrasse en gravier prolongeant la pièce de vie. À l'étage, se trouve 3 chambres et une salle de bain avec WC. Côté techniques, la maison dispose d'une chaudière à condensation au gaz à haut rendement, de 6 panneaux photovoltaïques et affiche un excellent PEB A , gage de faible consommation énergétique et de respect de l'environnement. L'emplacement est idéal : les commerces, écoles et services se trouvent à quelques minutes en voiture. Les promenades et pistes cyclables environnantes permettent de profiter pleinement du cadre naturel de Durbuy. Les principaux axes routiers sont rapidement accessibles, assurant un parfait équilibre entre calme villageois et proximité urbaine . Pour tout renseignement ou visite, contactez: ### – ### - ### - ### ou ### - ### Want to know more?

Nouvelle construction 4 façades, 3 chambres avec jardin et carport située dans une rue tranquille et verdoyante du village de Petit-Han. Cette charmante maison séduit par son environnement paisible et son confort agréable moderne. Implantée sur un terrain de 670 m² orienté Est, elle offre un cadre de vie chaleureux, économe et proche de la nature. Le rez-de-chaussée comprend un hall d'entrée, un WC séparé, un séjour lumineux ouvert sur une cuisine et d'une buanderie avec accès au jardin. Une terrasse en gravier prolongeant la pièce de vie. À l'étage, se trouve 3 chambres et une salle de bain avec WC. Côté techniques, la maison dispose d'une chaudière à condensation au gaz à haut rendement, de 6 panneaux photovoltaïques et affiche un excellent PEB A , gage de faible consommation énergétique et de respect de l'environnement. L'emplacement est idéal : les commerces, écoles et services se trouvent à quelques minutes en voiture. Les promenades et pistes cyclables environnantes permettent de profiter pleinement du cadre naturel de Durbuy. Les principaux axes routiers sont rapidement accessibles, assurant un parfait équilibre entre calme villageois et proximité urbaine . Pour tout renseignement ou visite, contactez: ### – ### - ### - ### ou ### - ### Want to know more?

Nouvelle construction 3 chambres avec jardin et garage située dans une rue tranquille et verdoyante du village de Petit-Han. Cette charmante maison séduit par son environnement paisible et son confort agréable moderne. Implantée sur un terrain de 921 m² orienté Ouest, elle offre un cadre de vie chaleureux, économe et proche de la nature. Le rez-de-chaussée comprend un hall d'entrée, un WC séparé, un séjour lumineux ouvert sur une cuisine ainsi qu'un garage/buanderie avec accès au jardin. Une terrasse en gravier prolongeant la pièce de vie. À l'étage, se trouve 3 chambres et une salle de bain avec WC. Côté techniques, la maison dispose d'une chaudière à condensation au gaz à haut rendement, de 6 panneaux photovoltaïques et affiche un excellent PEB A , gage de faible consommation énergétique et de respect de l'environnement. L'emplacement est idéal : les commerces, écoles et services se trouvent à quelques minutes en voiture. Les promenades et pistes cyclables environnantes permettent de profiter pleinement du cadre naturel de Durbuy. Les principaux axes routiers sont rapidement accessibles, assurant un parfait équilibre entre calme villageois et proximité urbaine . Pour tout renseignement ou visite, contactez: ### – ### - ### - ### ou ### - ### Want to know more?

Discover a charming and practical bungalow nestled within the picturesque Sunclass Durbuy holiday park, a true gem for those seeking tranquility and natural beauty. Priced at €90,000, this delightful property is located in the beloved city of Durbuy, a renowned destination for its scenic landscapes and serene ambiance. The bungalow, with a total living area of 74 m², offers a cozy yet functional layout that perfectly balances comfort and utility. Constructed in 1970, this home has been thoughtfully maintained, featuring a warm and inviting interior that includes three bedrooms and a well-appointed bathroom with a shower. The property is fully furnished, ensuring immediate comfort for new owners or tenants alike. The Living area seamlessly connects to a dining space and a kitchenette, providing an ideal setting for relaxed gatherings or family meals. Heating is supplied via gas, offering efficient warmth during the cooler months, and the property benefits from a certificate of conformity for its electrical installation, confirming compliance with safety standards. Beyond the interiors, the bungalow boasts an attractive south-facing orientation, maximizing sunlight exposure and creating a bright, welcoming atmosphere. Outside, you will enjoy a renovated terrace (renovated in 2022) that offers a perfect spot for outdoor leisure, barbecues, or simply enjoying the view of the surrounding nature. The outdoor space connects harmoniously with the lush environment of the park, allowing residents to relax and unwind amidst the natural beauty of Durbuy. The property’s external features include four façades and two levels, with water and gas connections readily available, ensuring convenience and ease of maintenance. Located within a well-maintained holiday park, this bungalow provides a unique opportunity for both investment and personal use, whether as a holiday retreat or a permanent residence in one of Belgium’s most enchanting areas. Durbuy is famed for its idyllic setting and access to outdoor activities, making it an attractive location for nature lovers and those seeking peace away from urban hustle. The park’s tranquil environment combined with the property’s practical layout makes it an appealing choice for individuals or families looking to embrace a lifestyle close to nature while enjoying modern comforts. With the added advantage of being situated in an established holiday community, this bungalow offers significant potential for rental income or personal enjoyment. For interested buyers or investors, this property presents an excellent opportunity to acquire a charming home in Durbuy at an accessible price point. To learn more or arrange a viewing, please contact us today to explore this inviting property further and take the first step toward owning your own piece of Belgium’s scenic countryside. Want to know more?

Discover a unique opportunity to own a charming bungalow in the picturesque setting of Durbuy, Belgium. Priced at €84,000, this property offers a cozy and functional living space within the renowned SUNCLASS Durbuy holiday park, making it an ideal second residence or investment property. The bungalow, built in 1974, boasts a living area of approximately 74 square meters, fully furnished and ready for immediate occupancy. Its practical layout includes two well-sized bedrooms and an additional sleeping area capable of accommodating up to five persons, perfectly suited for family or group stays. The interior features a bright, open-concept living room that combines a lounge, dining space, and a modern open kitchen, creating a welcoming atmosphere for relaxation and socializing. A single shower room with a toilet adds to the convenience, while the property is heated by gas, ensuring comfort throughout the year. Situated in a lush, wooded environment within a tranquil holiday park, this bungalow offers a peaceful retreat just steps from nature. The exterior is complemented by a south-facing terrace, perfect for enjoying sunny afternoons or outdoor gatherings. Parking is straightforward with easy access directly in front of the property, adding to the practicality of daily life. The location in Durbuy—a charming and well-known Belgian town—provides residents with access to scenic landscapes, outdoor activities, and local amenities that enhance the quality of life. It's important to note that due to its placement within a holiday park, the property cannot serve as a primary residence for domicile purposes; instead, it presents an excellent opportunity for leisure or investment purposes. This property is a compelling choice for those seeking a serene getaway or a smart investment in the Belgian real estate market. With its attractive price point, furnished interior, and lovely outdoor space, it offers excellent value. For more details about the park fees or to arrange a viewing, interested buyers are encouraged to contact MCA Immobilier via email at ### . Don't miss out on this exceptional opportunity to own a piece of Durbuy's scenic landscape—reach out today to learn more or to schedule your visit. Want to know more?

- OPTION - Situé au calme sur les hauteurs de Barvaux (Durbuy), à proximité des commodités et des activités touristiques, ce chalet est implanté sur un spacieux terrain de 2.036 m². Idéal pour une habitation principale ou secondaire mais également pour un investissement en tant que gîte (sous réserve d'acceptation des autorités compétentes). Il se compose d’un séjour (salon et salle à manger) avec espace bar, d'une cuisine semi équipée, de 3 chambres, d’un hall, d'une salle de bains, d’un WC séparé ainsi qu'une buanderie et un garage en annexe. À l’extérieur, vous profiterez d’une terrasse ensoleillée ainsi qu'un grand terrain boisé, aménageable selon vos envies. Equipements : nouveau poêle à pellets, plusieurs places de parking, châssis simple et double vitrage. Infos supplémentaires et visites : ### ### - ### ### Want to know more?