House for sale to renovate - Monceau-sur-Sambre

À VENDRE - Marchienne-au-Pont. Une maison pleine de potentiel de +/- 110m², située dans une rue en cul-de-sac, à deux pas de toutes les commodités. Idéal pour un premier achat ou un investissement locatif rentable ! Elle se compose d'un hall, un salon, une salle à manger, un espace cuisine et une salle de bain et 3 chambres confortables • Grenier aménageable • Garage • Jardin 📋 PEB 496 kwh/m2.an 📜 Revenu cadastral : 400 € 💰 Prix : 95.000 € (Sous réserve d’acceptation des propriétaires) Bureau Savini ### ### Want to know more?

Discover this charming residence for sale in Marchienne-au-Pont, an excellent opportunity for those seeking a home that combines comfort, practicality, and potential. Priced at €169,000, this 2-facade house offers a spacious living environment with a total habitable surface of approximately 130 m², thoughtfully designed to meet various lifestyle needs. The property features three bedrooms, two bathrooms, and a generous living room spanning 54 m², providing ample space for family life or entertaining guests. Its versatile layout includes a ground floor with a large open-plan living and dining area, a functional kitchen, and a bedroom with an en-suite bathroom, while the upper floor accommodates two additional bedrooms and a second bathroom, ideal for accommodating family members or guests. The house's exterior complements its interior appeal, with a 55 m² garden and a sizable terrace of 31 m², perfect for outdoor gatherings or relaxing in the open air. A wooden garden shed adds practical storage space, and the property benefits from a private parking space, enhancing everyday convenience. The home is equipped with gas central heating, with a modern Vaillant boiler installed in 2023, and features double-glazed wooden window frames, ensuring energy efficiency and security. Raccordée to the main sewer system and with a bi-hourly electrical meter, the property is ready for renovation, offering substantial potential for buyers to personalize and upgrade according to their preferences. Located in Marchienne-au-Pont, this residence benefits from easy access to the R3 ring road and public transportation, facilitating smooth commuting and connectivity to the wider region. The neighborhood offers a balanced mix of residential tranquility and proximity to local amenities, making it an attractive choice for families or individuals seeking a well-positioned home. Although the property requires renovation, its robust structure and functional layout provide a solid foundation for renovation projects. Interested buyers are encouraged to contact RZL Immo for more details or to arrange a viewing, as this opportunity represents a promising investment in a sought-after location at an attractive price point. Want to know more?

À VENDRE - Marchienne-au-Pont Ensemble de deux maisons à rénover, avec accès carrossable latéral menant à un entrepôt de 70 m², garage et jardin. Idéal pour investisseurs ou projets de division. °22 : • Hall d’entrée- Salon-Salle à manger -Cuisine -Salle de bain -Grenier aménageable 22A : Entrée via le passage latéral -Pièce de vie- Salle de douche -Buanderie -2 chambres Entrepôt : 70 m² avec grande porte sectionnelle - Accessible également par la rue arrière Informations complémentaires : • Possibilité de deux logements : 2 chambres et 4 chambres • Surface totale : ± 230 m² • Passage carrossable, jardin, remise Caractéristiques techniques : À rénover entièrement PEB G 805 kWh/m2.an 20250514029582 RC : 446 € et 314 € Prix : 140.000 € (sous réserve d’acceptation des propriétaires) Bureau Savini ### ### Want to know more?

Discover a spacious and versatile residence nestled in the charming town of Roux, offered for sale at the attractive price of €249,500. This property presents a wonderful opportunity for buyers seeking a home that combines substantial living space with potential for renovation and personalization. With a total living area of approximately 296 m², the house features four bedrooms, two bathrooms, and a variety of functional spaces that cater to both comfort and practicality. Built over two floors, the property includes a large annex and ample cellar storage, making it suitable for families, those looking to invest in renovation projects, or buyers who desire a substantial property with room for future expansion. Upon entering the residence, you are greeted by a welcoming hall that provides access to multiple areas of the ground floor. This level comprises two bedrooms, a bathroom, a garage, and a bright, spacious annex that serves as the heart of the home—an open-plan living area including the lounge, dining room, and kitchen. This generous space opens directly onto a lovely garden of approximately 365 m², ideal for outdoor activities, relaxation, or entertaining guests. The house is equipped with double-glazed PVC windows, providing good insulation, and central heating for year-round comfort. The property’s energy performance is classified as E, with an EPC reference of uc 20190221025047, indicating an estimated annual energy consumption of approximately 90,936 kWh. Its structure and features make it an excellent candidate for renovation, offering the opportunity to modernize and adapt the home to personal tastes and needs. Upstairs, the property continues to impress with a second bathroom, a kitchenette, a dedicated office space, and two additional bedrooms, one notably spacious. There is also a storage room and a large attic space that could be converted to increase usable living space or create additional rooms. The overall plot spans 660 m², with a buildable area of 228 m², providing further potential for extensions or outdoor improvements. Located in Roux, the residence benefits from proximity to essential amenities including schools, transport links, roads, shops, and supermarkets, making it an ideal location for families or those seeking convenient access to daily necessities. The property is currently not rented and is available for possession upon agreement. With its substantial size, adaptable layout, and promising renovation potential, this home offers a rare opportunity to acquire a valuable piece of real estate in Roux. For more information or to arrange a viewing, interested parties are encouraged to contact us. Want to know more?

Discover this spacious property located at Rue du Chemin Vert 67 in Lodelinsart, offering a fantastic opportunity for renovation enthusiasts. Priced at €149,000, this residence presents a versatile layout with five bedrooms and one bathroom, providing ample space for family living or development. The house's interior spans approximately 125 square meters of habitable area, complemented by a generous outside space. The property features traditional wooden window frames with double glazing, manual shutters, and an enduring slate roof, combining classic charm with potential for modernization. Central gas heating, with a boiler approximately seven years old, ensures comfort, while the property’s cadastral income stands at around €850, indicating favorable taxation conditions. A notable highlight is the sizeable garden and a buildable terrain fronting on Rue de la Gendarmerie, measuring approximately 12 meters in façade width and totaling around 400 square meters of land. This combination of living space and development potential makes this property particularly appealing for investors or families seeking a project in a quiet, residential area. Situated in Lodelinsart, this property benefits from a strategic location offering a balance of tranquility and accessibility. The area is well-connected, with local amenities easily reachable, and the neighborhood provides a peaceful environment ideal for both family life and investment purposes. The building's structural features, including three facades and a robust roof, lay the foundation for a comprehensive refurbishment project. The property has been assessed with an energy performance certificate indicating a primary energy consumption of 596 kWh/m² per year, with an EPC reference valid until September 24, 2035. The absence of flood risk and the non-inclusion of a lift further define its practical attributes for renovation. This is a prime opportunity for buyers eager to create their ideal home or develop the land for new construction. For those interested, detailed information is available on the website ### and the seller offers quick estimates within 24 hours. Take advantage of this unique opportunity to acquire a spacious, adaptable property in Lodelinsart at the competitive price of €149,000. Whether you’re looking to renovate, upgrade, or develop, this property offers a solid foundation for various projects. Contact us today for more information or to arrange a viewing, and let our team assist you in making this investment a reality. With ample land, a substantial living area, and a prime location, this residence is an excellent choice for those seeking a property with potential in this desirable area of Belgium. Want to know more?

Discover this charming three-facade house for sale in Mont-sur-Marchienne, offering a fantastic opportunity for renovation and personalization. Priced at €149,000, this property presents a solid foundation for those looking to design their ideal home from scratch. Located in a peaceful and attractive area, this residence provides an excellent base to create a comfortable and tailored living environment. The house features a practical layout spread over two levels, with a total living space of approximately 93 square meters, complemented by a spacious garden of 3.3 ares oriented southeast, perfect for outdoor leisure and gardening. The property is structurally sound and ready for renovation, allowing new owners to implement their own style and preferences. The ground floor includes a welcoming entrance hall of around 5 square meters that leads into the bright kitchen of approximately 13 square meters, equipped with essential appliances such as an oven, electric hob, hood, dishwasher, and sink. Adjacent to the kitchen, the sizable living room of about 17 square meters offers ample space for relaxation and social gatherings, while a dining area of similar size completes the common living spaces. A discreet door connects the entrance hall to the upper floor. Upstairs are two sizeable bedrooms—one measuring approximately 17 square meters with a stunning view of the garden and forest, and the other about 18 square meters—both providing comfortable private retreats. The basement comprises a large, clean, tiled cellar space of roughly 21 square meters, ideal for storage or future development. There is also an additional storage room of approximately 12 square meters that grants direct access to the terrace and garden, making outdoor entertaining convenient. The bathroom features a bathtub and shower, occupying around 9 square meters. An extra cellar space of about 7 square meters further enhances storage options. The attic spans approximately 28 square meters, offering potential for expansion or additional living space. The property benefits from a well-maintained garden, perfect for outdoor activities or gardening projects. Further features include electric water heating, manual and electric shutters, central heating fueled by oil with a 2,200-liter tank, and double-glazed wooden frames on the ground floor with PVC on the upper level. An alarm system provides added security. The house was built in 1993 and is currently not rented out. Its energy performance certificate indicates an energy consumption of 416 kWh/m² per year, with an expiry date in 2035. With its excellent structure and prime location in Mont-sur-Marchienne, this house offers a unique opportunity for buyers seeking a project-ready property within a tranquil setting. For more details or to arrange a viewing, contact us today to make your investment in this promising real estate opportunity. Want to know more?

Discover a fantastic opportunity to acquire a charming property in the heart of Mont-sur-Marchienne. Priced at €129,000, this residence offers a wealth of potential for renovation enthusiasts looking to craft their ideal home. Situated in a peaceful and well-established area, this house presents a practical layout spread over two floors, with a total living surface of approximately 87 m². The property is characterized by its three façades, providing excellent natural light and a traditional Belgian townhouse feel. While requiring some refreshment, the house boasts a solid structure and features that allow for flexible updates according to your preferences. Notable elements include a spacious living room, open-plan kitchen, and two bedrooms, complemented by a bathroom and a separate WC. Additional highlights include a cellar of about 17 m², an attic converted into usable space of approximately 9 m², and a garden of around 200 m², perfect for outdoor activities or gardening. The property benefits from modern electrical installations compliant until 2030, central gas heating with a new boiler installed in 2024, aluminium window frames with double glazing, and overall good condition regarding energy efficiency and safety certifications. In terms of location, Mont-sur-Marchienne is a vibrant suburb offering a balanced mix of tranquility and accessibility. The area is well-served by local amenities, schools, and transport links, making it an attractive choice for families or professionals seeking proximity to larger urban centers while enjoying a quieter residential environment. The property’s sizeable garden provides ample outdoor space, ideal for relaxing or entertaining guests. For those interested in expanding their investment or living space, there is an option to purchase the adjacent house at a starting price of €99,000, which could lead to even greater potential in this charming neighborhood. This residence is available for immediate sale, with flexible arrangements regarding occupancy. Whether you are seeking a renovation project or an affordable home that can be personalized over time, this property offers significant value and scope for development. Don't miss out on this unique opportunity in Mont-sur-Marchienne. For further information or to schedule a viewing, contact RZL Immo through their website or directly by phone at ### You can also reach out via email at ### . This property combines affordability with potential, making it an excellent choice for buyers looking to invest in a promising part of Belgium's real estate market. Act now to explore how this residence can be transformed into your ideal home or rental investment—your next chapter begins here. Want to know more?

Discover this charming residence for sale in Fontaine-l'Évêque, an excellent opportunity for those seeking a spacious property with great potential. Priced at €179,000, this lovely four-sided house is situated on Route de Mons 256, in a vibrant and accessible area close to major roads, schools, and shops. The property boasts a total living area of approximately 191 m², offering ample space for families or those looking to customize a home to their tastes. Featuring four bedrooms, one bathroom, and a separate WC, this home combines comfort and practicality. The house is equipped with a gas heating system, a gas fireplace, double-glazed PVC windows, and a tiled roof, ensuring durability and energy efficiency. Outside, the property includes a garden and a garage with space for one vehicle, set on a plot of 250 m². The interior of the residence presents a welcoming layout with a ground floor comprising an entrance hall, a corridor, a spacious living room, a dining area, a kitchen, a laundry room, and a separate toilet. The presence of a bathroom with a shower and sink adds to the convenience. The first floor features a night hall leading to four bedrooms, providing flexible accommodation options for families, guests, or a home office. While the property is currently in need of renovation, its structure and features provide a solid base for refurbishment. The house is not rented and is in a state of readiness for transformation, allowing new owners to tailor the space to their preferences. With a cadastral income of €446 and a non-VAT applicable status, this property offers excellent value and investment potential. Located in Fontaine-l'Évêque, this residence benefits from a strategic position within the region. It is close to major transport links and amenities, making daily commuting and access to services straightforward. The surrounding area offers a blend of residential comfort and accessibility, ideal for families or individuals seeking a well-connected home with scope for personalization. The property’s condition invites renovation enthusiasts and investors alike to breathe new life into this charming house. Contact us today for more information or to arrange a viewing and explore how this property can become your next home. Further details and a comprehensive description are available on ### Want to know more?

La Confiance Immobilière vous présente cette petite maison à rénover avec jardin et 2 chambres, grenier éventuellement aménageable. COMPOSITION: Sous-sol: cave. Rez: pièce de séjour (19m²), cuisine semi-équipée (11m²). Etage sur 2 demi-niveaux: d'un côté une 1ère chambre (21m²) et de l'autre côté une salle de bains (3m²) avec wc, baignoire/douche et meuble double évier et une 2ème chambre (8m²). Grenier: éventuellement aménageable en 1 chambre supplémentaire, accès (escalier) à créer. Terrain: avant cour avec accès via une barrière en bois au jardin (recouvert de gravier) emmuré et clôturé, situé à l'avant de la maison, allée centrale bétonnée, remise en dur (3 pièces carrelées). Commodités: chauffage: 1 convecteur gaz; châssis PVC DV avec volets au rez; toiture avec une sous-toiture, non isolée, en bon état apparent; électricité à mettre en conformité; carrelages anciens au rez et plancher à l'étage. Remarques: 62m² habitables hors grenier, pignon latéral à assainir (humidité). Situation: dans le centre de Dampremy, à proximité de toutes commodités (transports en commun, écoles, commerces,...) et à 10 minutes de Charleroi. PEB: F 510 kWh/m².an. PRIX: offre à partir de 69.900 €, l'agent n'a aucun pouvoir de décision quant aux offres reçues. Want to know more?

Dans le centre de Forchies-la-Marche, proche de toutes les commodités, à quelques minutes du R3 et à 500 mètres de la gare, une belle opportunité d’investir dans une maison 2 façades d’une superficie actuelle de 162 m² habitables, avec un permis délivré par le Collège communal en mai 2025, autorisant la modification d'une habitation existante en deux logements. Cette maison se compose de, au rez-de-chaussée : un grand séjour de 34 m², une cuisine, une salle de bains, un bureau, une buanderie et une toilette. Au 1er étage : un hall de nuit desservant deux chambres ainsi qu’un deuxième bureau. Au sous-sol : une cave de 28 m². Équipements : chauffage central au mazout, nouveaux châssis double vitrage en PVC, PEB F (468 kWh/m²/an). Faire offre à partir de 130.000 €, sous réserve d’acceptation du propriétaire. Pour plus d’informations ou pour une demande de visite, n’hésitez pas à contacter notre collaborateur Axel au ### de chez Immo Dussart ! Want to know more?

Discover this charming residence for sale in Roux, an excellent opportunity for those seeking a property with potential in a tranquil neighborhood. Priced at €135,000, this house offers a comfortable living space of approximately 136 m², spread over two floors. Built with two facades, the property is perfect for renovation enthusiasts or investors looking for a rental project, especially considering its current lease status which has been ongoing for 14 years. Situated on a generous 400 m² plot, the house benefits from outdoor amenities including a terrace of about 50 m² and a garden, ideal for relaxation, outdoor dining, or gardening. The layout comprises a spacious ground-floor living room and dining area, complemented by a semi-equipped kitchen that opens directly into the main living space. Additionally, the house features a bathroom with a shower and toilet, providing essential comfort. Upstairs, a hallway leads to two well-sized bedrooms, with an attic space that has potential for conversion into a third bedroom or additional living area. The house also includes practical features such as a cellar for storage and accessible water and gas connections. The central heating system is gas-powered, contributing to its functional comfort, while the property’s energy performance certificate (EPC) indicates an energy class of F, with a primary energy consumption of 474 kWh/m² per year. The property is being offered without a certificate for the electrical installation, which may require attention during renovation. Located in Roux, this residence benefits from a peaceful setting while remaining close to essential amenities and services. The neighborhood offers easy access to local shops, schools, and transportation links, making it an attractive choice for families or individuals seeking a combination of quiet living and convenience. Its substantial outdoor area enhances its appeal as a versatile family home or rental investment, particularly given its long-term occupancy history. The house's structure includes two facades and two stories, ensuring ample space and natural light throughout. While requiring some updates to modernize the interiors and possibly improve energy efficiency, this property presents an excellent value proposition in the current market. The price of €135,000 reflects its potential as a project with significant upside for renovation or refurbishment, which can be tailored to the new owner’s preferences. If you are interested in exploring this property further or scheduling a visit to see its potential firsthand, contact our agency today. This residence combines affordability with flexibility, offering an appealing opportunity to create a comfortable home or profitable rental property in Roux. Don’t hesitate to get in touch with us at ### or via email at ### for more information or to arrange a viewing. This is an exceptional opportunity to acquire a spacious home in a peaceful setting with promising possibilities for personalization and modernization. Want to know more?

✨Située dans un quartier calme et agréable de Montigny-le-Tilleul, L'Avenir Immobilier vous propose de découvrir cette charmante maison à rénover offrant de beaux volumes et un excellent potentiel pour une famille à la recherche de confort et de fonctionnalité. Au sous-sol : 🔹 Deux caves (19 m² et 5 m²), idéales pour le stockage ou un atelier. Au rez-de-chaussée : 🔹 Un salon chaleureux de 16 m², 🔹 Une salle à manger lumineuse de 17 m², 🔹 Une cuisine fonctionnelle de 7 m², 🔹 Une annexe de 10 m² donnant directement accès au jardin, 🔹 Une salle de douche de 5 m². Au 1er étage : 🔹 Deux chambres spacieuses de 16 m² chacune. Au 2e étage : 🔹 Une grande chambre de 31 m², parfaite comme suite parentale ou espace polyvalent. 🚗 Un garage privatif, situé juste en face de la maison, complète idéalement l’ensemble. 🌿 Le jardin, accessible depuis l’annexe, offre un bel espace extérieur pour profiter des beaux jours. 💡 Cette maison combine espace, luminosité et potentiel d’aménagement. Quelques rafraîchissements permettront d’en faire un cocon familial à votre image. 📍 Localisation : secteur calme et recherché, à proximité des commerces, écoles et principaux axes. ☎️ Intéressé(e)? ### ou ### Toutes les photos et les documents sont disponibles sur notre site web. ⚠️️‍‍‍ L'agent n'a aucun pouvoir de décision quant aux offres reçues. ⚠️️‍‍‍ Want to know more?

✨ Située à Montigny-le-Tilleul, dans un quartier calme et agréable, L'Avenir Immobilier vous propose de découvrir cette coquette maison à rénover offrant un bel espace de vie réparti sur plusieurs niveaux, idéal pour une famille ou un premier achat. Au rez-de-chaussée : 🔹Le séjour lumineux de 18 m² et salle à manger de 18 m², offrant un espace convivial 🔹La cuisine à équiper de 9 m² 🔹La salle de bains de 6 m² 🔹Une annexe de 12 m² avec accès sur le jardin 🔹Un garage intégré de 17 m² avec accès à la cuisine Au 1er étage : 🔹Deux chambres spacieuses de 14 m² et 18 m² Au 2ème étage : 🔹Un grand grenier de 36 m², offrant de belles possibilités d’aménagement (chambres supplémentaires, suite parentale, bureau…). Au sous-sol, vous trouverez une cave saine de 18 m², parfaite pour le stockage. 🌿 À l’extérieur, un beau jardin à l'abris des regards complète l’ensemble. 💡 Ce bien combine volume, potentiel et fonctionnalité : parfait pour les amateurs de maisons avec cachet à personnaliser selon leurs envies. ☎️ Intéressé(e)? ### ou ### Toutes les photos et les documents sont disponibles sur notre site web. ⚠️️‍‍‍ L'agent n'a aucun pouvoir de décision quant aux offres reçues. ⚠️️‍‍‍ Want to know more?

""""""""""""SOUS OPTION"""""""""""""""Avis aux investisseurs !!! Immeuble de rapport à rénover complètement en gros œuvre. Possibilité projet finis clé sur porte à convenir. (Bon potentiel et excellente situation !!!) comprenant 3 appartements 1 chambre (permis octroyé pour 3 appartements) avec grand grenier aménageable + grand cour de 22,68m². Aspects techniques : 3 compteurs électriques, 2 compteurs gaz, 1 compteur eau. Pas de chauffage et Châssis PVC double vitrage. 2 entrées : 1 avant et 1 par la cour à l'arrière. Bonne situation proche du R3, Grands axes, commerces, parc, écoles, pharmacie, hôpital .. Informations à titre indicatives et non contractuelles. Offre à partir de 169 000€ sous réserve d'acceptation du propriétaire. IMMO STILLAVATI ### - ### Want to know more?

Landelies - à vendre dans un des plus beaux villages du Hainaut, nous vous proposons une très belle villa bâtie sur un terrain de 30 ares bénéficiant d'une vue exceptionnelle. Le terrain et la maison ont déjà subi de grosses transformations. (cfr photos avant/après) Concernant la maison, elle se compose - au rez un hall d'entrée de 5,5 m2, un living-séjour de 40 m2, une cuisine de 19m2, une salle de bain buanderie (5,5m2). à l'étage, quant à lui, il vous offrira deux spacieuses chambres de 18 et 15m2. Les combles vous permettront de réaliser une chambre supplémentaire ainsi qu'un bureau. Grand garage et caves carrelés. Châssis DV neufs Chauffage central mazout (chaudière Buderus) Cassette au feu de bois, toiture en très bon état en ardoises naturelles RC 484 euros Prix 499.000 euros (sous réserve d'acceptation des propriétaires) PEB E 368 kWh/m2.an 20250218031727 ### Bureau Savini ### Want to know more?

This charming residence located in Marchienne-au-Pont offers an excellent opportunity for those willing to invest in a property with great potential. With a living area of 136 m², the house boasts two spacious bedrooms, a bathroom, and a separate toilet. The structure is sound, and with some updates, it can be transformed into a delightful home, ideal for first-time buyers or as a rental investment. The property sits on an 85 m² plot, providing a low-maintenance outdoor space. While it does not feature a garden or terrace, its manageable size makes it perfect for those seeking an easy-to-care-for environment. The house stands as a two-facade building with a 5-meter wide front, promising a cozy and intimate atmosphere within its walls. Situated in a peaceful neighborhood yet close to all amenities, this house is conveniently located near shops, schools, and public transportation, making daily life comfortable and accessible. With an EPC rating of 311 kWh/m²/year, the property demonstrates decent energy efficiency for its category. Contact us today at ### to arrange a viewing and explore the possibilities this residence holds. Want to know more?

Marchienne-au-Pont - à vendre une maison à rénover de +/- 120 m2 Elle se compose au rez d'un séjour, une cuisine et une salle de bain. Au 1er étage, un hall de nuit et 4 chambres. Au 2ème étage, un grenier aménageable. Extérieur : jardin - remise possibilité d'acheter un garage non attenant Chauffage par convecteurs au gaz, châssis bois SV Electricité conforme RC356 euros PEB D 327 kWh/m2.an 20250910007944 Prix 89.000 euros (sous réserve d'acceptation des propriétaires) ### Bureau Savini ### Want to know more?

HORS VENTE - SOUS OPTION Infos/RDV uniquement par email à ### Vous recherchez votre première maison ou un investissement ? We Invest Charleroi vous propose cette maison à rénover (avec ou sans les hangars), située dans une rue calme, offrant de belles opportunités de réaménagement. Description du bien :· Rez-de-chaussée : salon, cuisine, salle à manger, WC séparé, salle de bain avec ou sans les 2 hangars. 1er étage : 2 chambres (dont 1 chambre passante)· 2e étage : 1 chambre Caractéristiques techniques :· Surface : 147m2 (Valeur PEB) PEB : C (n°20250807020632)· Boiler thermodynamique· Pompe à chaleur· Panneaux photovoltaïques· Électricité non conforme Extérieurs :· Jardin de 8 ares· 2 hangars totalisant 210 m². Possibilité de les séparer/retirer de la vente. Faire offre à partir de 217.000€ ( Prix à convenir sans les hangars) Ce bien représente une belle opportunité, que ce soit pour y vivre ou pour investir. Un projet immobilier ? Contactez-moi au ### Infos/RDV uniquement par email à ### Want to know more?