Architect-designed house with exceptional view of Namur Nestled in the hills above the popular village of Wépion, this unique property sits on a 44-acre plot and offers breathtaking views over Namur and the surrounding area. A true haven of peace, it is set back from an already very quiet street, in the heart of a verdant, bucolic setting. Key assets : A rare panoramic view of the market, a peaceful, unoverlooked environment and architecture by the famous Roger Bastin. House layout: Approximately 200 m² of living space, with a majestic living hall as the centerpiece. Two bright and welcoming living areas. Five comfortable bedrooms, ideal for family life or entertaining. Three shower rooms for the comfort of all occupants. This house combines the timeless charm of Roger Bastin's architecture with the privilege of a unique natural setting. It will appeal to lovers of architecture, tranquillity and spectacular panoramas. Location close to the amenities of Wépion and Namur, yet in an exclusive residential setting. Information and visits on ### Offer subject to owners' agreement. Want to know more?
House for sale - Wépion
Architect-designed house with exceptional view of Namur Nestled in the hills above the popular village of Wépion, this unique property sits on a 44-acre plot and offers breathtaking views over Namur and the surrounding area. A true haven of peace, it is set back from an already very quiet street, in the heart of a verdant, bucolic setting. Key assets : A rare panoramic view of the market, a peaceful, unoverlooked environment and architecture by the famous Roger Bastin. House layout: Approximately 200 m² of living space, with a majestic living hall as the centerpiece. Two bright and welcoming living areas. Five comfortable bedrooms, ideal for family life or entertaining. Three shower rooms for the comfort of all occupants. This house combines the timeless charm of Roger Bastin's architecture with the privilege of a unique natural setting. It will appeal to lovers of architecture, tranquillity and spectacular panoramas. Location close to the amenities of Wépion and Namur, yet in an exclusive residential setting. Information and visits on ### Offer subject to owners' agreement. Want to know more?
Discover this charming residence for sale in Wépion, a picturesque location along the Meuse River. Located at Chaussée de Dinant 685, this property offers a unique opportunity to acquire a versatile and potentially profitable estate. Priced at €345,000, this property presents a substantial opportunity for investment or renovation, especially given its existing permissions and potential for transformation. The house spans approximately 240 m² of habitable space across three levels, each about 80 m². The property is situated on a plot of 344 m², including a 130 m² garden, perfect for outdoor activities and enhancing the overall living environment. The property benefits from three exterior parking spaces and faces northeast, with three facades providing ample natural light and ventilation. This residence is positioned in a location that offers both tranquility and accessibility. Wépion, renowned for its scenic beauty and proximity to the Meuse, provides a peaceful setting while remaining connected to local amenities and services. The property’s design includes the potential for conversion into multiple dwellings. A building permit was obtained in 2009 to transform the house into two apartments, though it was not executed. This permits an intriguing prospect for buyers interested in renovation or development projects. The property is not currently rented, making it an ideal choice for those looking to create their own customized living space or investment. The existing structure does not include an elevator, and the energy performance certificate indicates a primary energy consumption of 621 kWh/m²/year, with a CO₂ emission of 116. It is located in an area classified as effectively flood-prone, which should be considered in renovation planning. Wépion's strategic position along the river offers a mix of natural beauty and practical benefits, making it an attractive residential choice. The proximity to outdoor spaces, combined with easy access to local facilities and scenic views, enhances its appeal. This property’s potential for renovation and development, along with its spacious interior and outdoor area, positions it as an excellent opportunity for investors or individuals seeking a future-proof home. Interested buyers are encouraged to explore this unique estate further and contact us for more details or to arrange a viewing. This is a rare offering in Wépion that combines location, potential, and value into one compelling package. Want to know more?
This impressive property located in Wépion presents an exceptional opportunity for renovation enthusiasts seeking a spacious family home with substantial potential. The residence is a large building, approximately 350 square meters in total constructed area, offering ample space across multiple levels. The ground floor comprises around 100 square meters and features a welcoming entrance hall, a generous living room of 22.5 square meters, a dining area of equal size, a kitchen, and a garage suitable for one vehicle. The first floor mirrors the ground level in size, providing four sizable bedrooms measuring 22.5, 22.5, 17.7, and 14 square meters respectively, along with a bathroom equipped with a toilet. Under the roof, there is an unfurnished attic of about 100 square meters, ideal for future development or storage, complemented by a cellar space of approximately 50 square meters. The property sits on a substantial plot of land measuring 2,334 square meters, offering plenty of outdoor space for gardens, recreation, or further extensions. The house requires complete renovation but provides an excellent foundation for customization. It is heated via oil (mazout), with an energy performance certificate indicating an energy consumption of 558 kWh/m² per year and a CO2 emission of 138 kg. The residence includes a garage and one additional parking space inside, ensuring convenient access and parking for residents and guests alike. The structure features three façades and is situated within a spacious and quiet environment that benefits from its sizable grounds. This property is ideal for buyers looking to create their bespoke home in a peaceful setting while enjoying the flexibility of a large footprint that can be adapted to their specific needs. Located in Wépion, this property offers excellent accessibility to local amenities, services, and the natural beauty of the surrounding area. Its generous layout, combined with the extensive land plot, makes it suitable for various uses and potential extensions. The asking price is €265,000, exclusive of VAT. Interested buyers are encouraged to contact via email for more information or to schedule a visit, as this property requires renovation but promises significant value for those willing to invest in its transformation. The listing references detail and contact information are available upon request through the designated channels, ensuring a professional and straightforward purchasing process for prospective owners eager to realize the full potential of this substantial property. Want to know more?
Nam Property vous présente une belle propriété érigée sur plus de 30 ares de terrain à Wépion. La maison se compose, au rez-de-chaussée, d’un spacieux hall d’entrée, d’une salle à manger, d’un salon équipé d’un poêle Stûv, d’une cuisine Poggenpohl, d’une véranda, ainsi que d’une buanderie avec WC. On y trouve également l’accès à la cave et à la chaufferie. À l’étage, vous découvrirez un espace bureau, une salle de douche, deux chambres, ainsi qu’une suite parentale en duplex comprenant un dressing et une salle de bains (bain et douche italienne) au premier niveau, et une chambre mansardée au deuxième. La maison dispose également au deuxième étage de la chambre parentale, d’un grenier, d'un espace hall de nuit et d'une 4ème chambre. Cette propriété est idéale pour l’exercice d’une profession libérale ou pour la création d’une petite habitation supplémentaire. L’annexe cadastrée séparément comprend une pièce au rez-de-chaussée (±10 m²), un garage, ainsi qu’un espace à l’étage, pour une superficie d’environ 25 m². Cette annexe est équipée d’un chauffage et d’un point d’eau. À l’extérieur, vous profiterez d’un magnifique jardin arboré, agrémenté d’une gloriette, d’un abri de jardin, d’un rangement à bois, et d’un bel espace actuellement occupé par quelques biquettes 😉. À l’avant, la propriété offre un large parking pouvant accueillir trois à quatre voitures, avec un portail d’entrée automatisé. La toiture, âgée d’une vingtaine d’années, a été isolée au dernier niveau à l’aide de laine de verre et de styrodur. Quelques travaux de rénovation et de finition sont à prévoir. Enfin, la propriété bénéficie d’une excellente situation, à proximité du bord de Meuse, des grandes surfaces commerciales, des petits commerces de proximité, des écoles. Arrêt de bus à moins de 5 min à pied. Prix proposé 445.000€ (sous réserve d'acceptation des propriétaires). Want to know more?
***VENDU***COMPROMIS EN COURS*** Groupe Arcade Dinant vous propose de faire offre pour cette maison 4x façades à rénover située à Wépion. Celle-ci dispose d'un agréable jardin sur 21 ares 14 et d'une surface habitable d'environ 110m² (hors combles et caves). Elle est composée comme suit : un hall d'entrée, un séjour, une pièce cuisine et un garage. Au 1er : 2x chambres et une salle de bain, un grenier aménageable de +/- 35m². Eléments techniques : chauffage central sur chaudière mazout (St Roch de 2003), 2x cheminées, chassis en pvc double vitrage des années 2000, toiture non isolée, tout le pignon à été bardé en ardoises artificielles. Peb G - E-spec : 513 kWh/m².an - E-tot : 73 139 kWh/an - n°20250422029491. (offre sous réserve d'acceptation par le propriétaire). Want to know more?
Vos Agences Immo A.H.T vous présente cette magnifique propriété de caractère d'environ 330m² habitables idéalement située à Wépion, proche de la Meuse et d'un embarcadère privatif. Vous bénéficierez d'une proximité à toutes les commodités et facilités (commerces, transports en commun, restaurants). Ce bien vous séduira par ses matériaux de qualité ainsi que par ses nombreuses possibilités d'affectations ou d'aménagements. Cette bâtisse est construite sur un terrain de 12,5 ares et offre deux agréables terrasses ainsi qu'un beau jardin verdoyant. À venir découvrir absolument su place. Composition: Au rez-de-jardin: un espace pouvant être utilisé de manière professionnelle ou comme logement kangourou. Au rez-de-chaussée : un hall d'entrée, un beau salon, une salle à manger, une cuisine équipée et un WC indépendant. Les étages disposent de 7 chambres dont 4 avec douches, une salle de bains (baignoire et douche) et un grenier aménageable. Grand garage indépendant sur 3 niveaux pour 2 voitures avec un grand espace de stockage (150m² exploitable) et 7 places de parking extérieures. Sur la gauche de la maison, vous trouverez un bâtiment annexe pour lequel un permis a été octroyé pour la transformation en une habitation de 90m² sur 3 niveaux. Remarques: 24 panneaux photovoltaïques, nombreuses possibilités d’aménagements (profession libérale, chambres d’hôtes, gîte), 7 places de parking extérieures et 2 dans le garage Want to know more?
Magnificent 4-façade villa in Wépion offering 3 bedrooms, a 30m² living room, a fitted kitchen, an office, a laundry area, a veranda, a shower room and a bathroom. You'll also find additional space for a liberal profession or a studio. Private outdoor parking for several cars, terrace overlooking a superb 850m² garden in a quiet neighborhood. Technical information: 20 photovoltaic panels and a heat pump (heating/cooling). 170 m² living space. MAKE OFFER FROM 420.000. Subject to acceptance by owners. ENERGY PERFORMANCE: PEB N° - PEB - E spec kWh/m².an - E total: kWh/year. Want to know more?
WEPION Tienne aux Pierres 115 - Nichée sur les hauteurs de Wépion, dans un quartier résidentiel rare et particulièrement recherché, cette villa d'architecte fin des années 70, vous séduira par ses volumes, sa qualité robuste des matériaux utilisés, de sa luminosité. Erigée sur un terrain de plus de 48 ares arborés, sans vis-à-vis, cette propriété offre une intimité totale et une vue splendide sur la vallée de la Meuse. Dès l'entrée, vous serez charmés par l'agencement réfléchi des espaces de vie et la luminosité omniprésente. La maison propose des très beaux volumes, entretenus et offre de multiples possibilités d'aménagements. Elle se compose notamment de 6 belles chambres spacieuses, 2 pièces d'eau, un vaste séjour avec poêle à bois, une cuisine rénovée avec baie vitrée sur le jardin. Terrasse en pierre bleue. Buanderie/arrière cuisine, un bureau. Caves. Cette propriété est finalement bien plus qu'une maison, c'est un véritable lieu de vie, confortable, apaisant et tourné vers la nature. PEB CLASSE E - 358kWh/m².an - n° 20250629010639. Faire offre à partir de 535.000 €. Renseignements et visites via l'agence au ### Want to know more?
Sur l'axe principal menant à Namur, à l'entrée de Wépion, voici un immeuble mixte comprenant un rez commercial de 180m² (ancienne boulangerie active pendant plus de 20 ans), un appartement 3 ch. de 100m² au 1er étage du commerce et un atelier/garage de 115m² sur l'arrière du bâtiment principal qu'il est possible de louer 800€/mois. L'appartement se compose d'un hall d'entrée, d'un living de 26m², d'une cuisine carrelée et équipée (meubles, taque, hotte, four, micro-ondes, l-v et évier), de 3 ch (15m² et 2 x 11m²), d'une sdb carrelée (bain, double évier) de 8m², d'un WC séparé et d'un grenier de 4m². Il est actuellement loué 780€/mois hors charges - loyer possible de 850€. Caves de 45m² en sous-sol. Plusieurs emplacements de parking en façade et sur l'arrière du bâtiment. Châssis DV en PVC. CC au gaz de ville. PEB E - 395 kWh/m².an. Matériel de boulangerie/pâtisserie complet compris dans le prix. Excellente situation pour tous types de commerces ou profession libérale. Document et prix informatifs et non contractuels. Want to know more?
Option Option Option Nam Property a l'immense plaisir de vous présenter cette charmante villa située dans un quartier prisé et paisible, au bout d’une rue en cul-de-sac. Ce cadre privilégié vous garantit calme et tranquillité au quotidien. La maison se compose comme suit : Au rez-de-chaussée, vous découvrirez un hall d’entrée accueillant, un spacieux séjour agrémenté d’une cassette à bois et d’un accès à une grande terrasse surplombant un magnifique jardin arboré — un véritable havre de paix aux couleurs apaisantes. Une cuisine équipée, une salle de bains, une chambre ainsi qu’un vaste espace bureau (anciennement garage) complètent ce niveau. À l’étage, deux grandes chambres se partagent un palier central pouvant parfaitement faire office de bureau ou d’espace détente. Un petit dressing complète l’étage. Vous trouverez également une très belle terrasse plein sud, ainsi que d’un vide ventilé pouvant servir de cave ou d’espace de rangement. Côté annexes, la propriété dispose d’un carport avec grand espace atelier, de deux garages avec portes sectionnelles. Caractéristiques techniques : Isolation renforcée dans la toiture et les murs intérieurs, VMC, boiler électrique Bulex (2016). Système de chauffage à l'électricité, mais consommation basse, consommation moyenne 10.000Kwh, (environ 180€/mois pour le chauffage, électricité et production d'eau chaude); Avec des panneaux photovoltaïques, cette consommation basse peut encore être fortement réduite. Prix: 495.000€ ( offre soumise à l'acceptation des propriétaires) Cette maison offre un excellent potentiel dans un environnement privilégié. Une visite s’impose ! Want to know more?
This charming villa is situated in the bucolic town of Wépion, on route des forts, within a peaceful residential area at the Col du Suary, at an altitude of 198 meters. The property enjoys an excellent south-west orientation, offering panoramic views over the Meuse valley. The villa is set on a plot of 22 acres, with the possibility to acquire an additional 11 acres of agricultural land behind the property, ideal for those interested in equestrian activities or farming. The location is non-floodable and close to a forest, providing natural beauty and ample opportunities for outdoor walks. Constructed in 1985 with traditional materials, the property boasts approximately 270 m² of living space divided across two floors. The interior features six bedrooms, three bathrooms, a large equipped kitchen, and multiple living areas including a formal dining room, a spacious lounge with a fireplace, and a dedicated office. The villa includes modern amenities such as double-glazed Meranti windows, electric heating with night storage, and a fully fenced perimeter. The house also offers practical features like two garages (totaling 64 m²), several parking spots, and an enclosed terrace with a built-in barbecue. Outside, the property offers attractive outdoor facilities including a heated and covered swimming pool with thermal curtains and sliding frames, a sauna, a fitness room, and landscaped gardens with a pond and koi fish. There are also several auxiliary structures such as a paint room, an outbuilding for animals, and energy-efficient rainwater tanks. The estate is suitable for family living or professional use, with excellent connectivity to nearby cities—approximately 9 minutes to the highway and about 35 minutes to Brussels or Liège. This property combines rural tranquility with ample space and versatile usage options. Want to know more?
WEPION, an exceptional property in a peaceful, leafy setting close to the Rougemont golf course. Built in the middle of the 17th century, this castle-farm is set in 1.437 hectares of magnificent parklands and offers numerous possibilities (gîtes, bed & breakfast, etc.). On the ground floor of the main house, a vast entrance hall opens onto a cloakroom, a large fitted kitchen, a laundry room, a separate toilet, a dining room and a first lounge. On the other side, this hall leads to a second dining room and a second lounge. On the first floor, the night hall leads to 7 large bedrooms with washbasins, including two master suites with en suite bathrooms, a separate toilet and a bathroom. The second floor includes a bedroom, study, bathroom and access to large attics. The house also includes a former caretaker's cottage, renovated in 2015 and currently rented out (€850), comprising a kitchen, a living room, two bedrooms, a toilet and a bathroom. This splendid property also includes several outbuildings, a superb barn, 3 garages and numerous sheds. The basement includes several healthy storage cellars and a boiler room. Natural slate and Eternit roof, wooden and PVC double-glazed windows, oil-fired boiler, non-compliant electricity, EPB D - 302 kWh/m².an - 171,344 kWh/year - 20230406007736. Find out more at Latour&Petit on ### Want to know more?
Superb 17th-Century Château-Farm Engel & Völkers is pleased to offer you this exceptional property nestled in the Namur countryside. This 17th-century château-farm, situated in a park of approximately 1.5 hectares, offers numerous possibilities (gîtes, guest rooms, family home, etc.). Renovated in 1970, this property has retained all its original charm (parquet floors, moldings, beautiful fireplace mantels, high ceilings, etc.). The main building offers beautiful reception rooms open to the park, a dining room, a kitchen, and a laundry room. The upper floors include 2 master suites with their private bathrooms, 6 bedrooms, a dressing room, 2 bathrooms, and convertible attics. The caretaker's house, renovated in 2015, features pleasant living spaces, a kitchen, 2 bedrooms, and a bathroom. The outbuildings consist of a magnificent barn, 3 garages, and numerous storage rooms. The park guarantees privacy and offers a magnificent view of the surrounding nature. The Engel & Völkers agency is at your disposal for any further questions. Want to know more?
WEPION, magnificent VILLA (4bed+2bath) built in the 70s on 12.88 acres of land, completely renovated with care in 2022. This classic single-family home can also be split into two parts for professional use or a kangaroo habitat. It comprises an entrance hall leading to a bright, spacious kitchen and an L-shaped living room with an open fireplace opening onto a covered terrace. This hall also leads to a bedroom, a shower room and access to the stairwell. The staircase leads to a night hall (or second entrance hall) with three comfortable bedrooms, one of which has a terrace, and a bathroom with both a shower and a bath. This also provides access to the three spacious, healthy cellars on the lower level. Outside, the plot is fully fenced and has two gates, one of which is motorised. There is ample parking, a renovated garage and a high-quality carport for two vehicles. The beautifully planted garden is surrounded by carefully landscaped surrounds. New, insulated roof, PVC double-glazed windows, town gas-fired condensing boiler, compliant electrics, motorised gate and garage door, alarm, quality materials, impeccable finishes, PEB C, 212kWh/m².an, 63,077 kWh/year, 20230227032409. Available from LATOUR&PETIT ### Want to know more?
Wépion, close to shops and amenities, attractive 4-façade HOUSE (4 bedrooms + 1bathroom) built in 1966 on a 7.5-acre east-facing plot. The house is currently divided into two units: a liberal profession on the first floor and an apartment on the 1st floor under planning order. The house comprises a large entrance hall with wc leading to a beautiful 35m² living room currently used as a professional space, and a kitchen area to be converted. A large two-car garage completes the first floor. A staircase in the entrance hall gives access to the second floor of the house, which includes an apartment, currently rented out, with 3 good-sized bedrooms, a bathroom, a dressing room, a living room, which could be used as a fourth bedroom, with access to a terrace, and a fitted kitchen. A retractable staircase in the hall provides access to an attic for storage. The exterior comprises a fenced, well-kept garden and a large terrace. Oil-fired heating system, electrical system compliant, RC 1588€, PEB “D” 323 kWh/m².an -73762 kWh/year - N°20250219025223.To be discovered at L&P ### Want to know more?
This charming stone residence is located in Wépion, a picturesque town along the Meuse River. Situated on a spacious plot of over one hectare, the property offers a peaceful setting with direct views facing the river. The house has been partially renovated and features traditional architectural elements with thick stone walls, a tiled roof with natural slate, and large windows with double PVC glazing, ensuring both durability and comfort. The property provides a total living area of approximately 276 square meters distributed over two floors. It includes a large open-plan living room, a separate salon, and a dining area that opens onto a terrace facing the Meuse. The kitchen is not equipped but offers ample space for customization. There are four sizable bedrooms, two bathrooms, and two additional WC facilities. The interior showcases oak staircases and doors, with flooring that varies between tiles, laminate, and wood planks. Externally, the estate features well-maintained paved terraces, a garden area, and a surrounding forest, creating a private outdoor space to enjoy the natural environment. Parking is available with three designated spaces in front of the property. Access to essential amenities such as water, electricity, gas, and internet is connected, and the house benefits from modern updates including new electrical circuits and double-glazed windows. The location offers quick access to Wépion center in two minutes and is just eight minutes away from Namur city, making it a convenient yet tranquil retreat. Want to know more?
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Discover this exceptional villa for sale in Dave, a remarkable opportunity to acquire a contemporary and environmentally friendly property nestled in a peaceful natural setting. Priced at €770,000, this stunning residence embodies modern comfort combined with sustainable design, offering a truly harmonious lifestyle for discerning buyers seeking tranquility just outside the vibrant city of Namur. Located at Paradis des Lièvres 10, this villa boasts a generous 242 square meters of habitable space, meticulously constructed in 2014, and is presented in excellent condition. Its strategic position on a 5,000-square-meter fully enclosed plot provides privacy, security, and direct access to nature, making it an ideal retreat for families or those wishing to escape the hustle and bustle of urban life. This property features three spacious bedrooms and one bathroom, with the potential to expand further thanks to two large nearly finished attics that could be transformed into additional bedrooms, an office, or a wellness area. The house is designed with energy efficiency at its core, being almost passive (A+ 33), equipped with a modern heat pump installed in 2020, and complemented by 16 photovoltaic panels scheduled for installation in 2025, along with a 10,000 kWh battery. The property benefits from triple-glazed windows with anti-breakage features, ensuring optimal insulation and security while allowing sunlight to fill the interiors from east to west. Two terraces offer picturesque views over the surrounding woods and valley, providing perfect spots for relaxation or outdoor entertaining, with the choice of basking in sunlight or enjoying shaded comfort. Nestled in the picturesque landscape of Dave, this villa offers unparalleled access to nature while remaining close to essential amenities, schools, and major highways for convenient commuting. The large garden is ideal for outdoor activities or creating a sustainable vegetable garden and can potentially be partly sold to neighboring property owners. Additional eco-friendly features include a rainwater collection tank of 20m³ with comprehensive filtration systems, two large animal shelters, and ample outdoor space for children to play safely. This unique property combines ecological sensitivity, comfort, and security in a paradisiacal setting, offering an exceptional lifestyle choice for those seeking both modern conveniences and natural beauty. Contact us today to arrange a viewing and explore all that this extraordinary home has to offer. Want to know more?
Abras Immobilier a le plaisir de vous présenter cette charmante maison au caractère authentique, accompagnée d’un vaste terrain de plus de 30 ares, idéalement située à Jambes. Nichée en retrait d’un axe principal, elle offre à la fois calme et proximité des commodités. La maison se compose, au rez-de-chaussée, d’une salle à manger, d’un salon convivial, d’une cuisine avec vue sur la verdure environnante et d’une buanderie pratique. À l’étage, vous trouverez deux chambres, une salle de bain, un WC séparé ainsi qu’un pallier pouvant être aménagé en bureau ou en coin lecture. Une cave occupe par ailleurs une partie du sous-sol. Cette bâtisse, dont les origines remontent à plusieurs siècles, séduit par son authenticité et son magnifique parement en pierres. Le grand jardin situé à l’arrière permet de profiter d’un superbe panorama et d’un cadre de vie privilégié. Sur le plan technique, la plupart des châssis sont en bois double vitrage et la chaudière est alimentée au mazout. Laissez-vous séduire par ce bien unique et contactez-nous sans attendre pour organiser une visite au ### Want to know more?
Abras Immobilier a le plaisir de vous présenter cette maison deux chambres idéalement située à Jambes. Au rez-de-chaussée, vous découvrirez une agréable pièce de vie, une cuisine entièrement équipée (frigo, lave-vaisselle, four) ainsi qu’une buanderie donnant un accès direct au garage. À l’étage, un hall spacieux pouvant accueillir un bureau, une salle de bain et deux chambres complètent la maison. Cette charmante habitation, à la fois confortable et fonctionnelle, est équipée d’une chaudière au gaz installée en 2017. L’électricité est conforme. La maison dispose également d’un espace extérieur dont l'usage est privatif. Nichée à l’écart de la rue principale, elle vous garantit calme et tranquillité, tout en restant proche des commodités. Vous êtes à la recherche d’une maison agréable et bien située à Jambes ? N’attendez plus et contactez-nous dès aujourd’hui pour organiser une visite au ### Want to know more?