HOME-IN (8011 Strassen) (page 12)

Office space for rent - Kockelscheuer Home-In presents a beautiful 112 m² office space located on the 1st floor of the Alphaluxite building, accessible by elevator. Nestled in the middle of a forest, this property offers a serene environment with plenty of natural light, making it an ideal workspace. The office space can be rented either furnished or unfurnished, providing flexibility to suit your business needs. Included in the rental is a basement storage area of approximately 25.3 m², perfect for additional storage requirements. The office also boasts private sanitary facilities and a private kitchenette, ensuring convenience and comfort for your team. The monthly rent for this office space is €3,250, with an advance on charges of €500 per month. Parking spaces are available: four spots directly in front of the building for €80 each and five nearby spots for €50 each. For more information, please contact us at ### or via email at ### . Want to know more?

This industrial building for rent in Flatzbour offers an expansive 750 m² storage area, distributed over two floors. The property features a ceiling height of 4.98 meters and can accommodate up to 1,300 Kg/m² on the ground slab, making it ideal for high-volume storage needs. The sectional door, measuring 6 meters in width and 4.5 meters in height, provides easy access for large vehicles and equipment. Energy efficiency is a key attribute of this building, with 20 cm thick concrete panels insulated with 6 cm PU, offering a thermal resistance value of 2.69 m²K/W. The metal cladding includes 14 cm PU insulation with a thermal resistance of 5.60 m²K/W, and the flat roof also features 20 cm PU insulation for optimal energy performance. These specifications ensure that the building maintains a stable internal environment, which is beneficial for both storage conditions and energy costs. The property is available for rent at 8,850 € per month, with a security deposit equivalent to three months' rent. Agency fees are 15% of the annual rent plus VAT. For more information or to schedule a visit, please contact us at ### or ### . Want to know more?

Home-IN proposes a mixed complex for rent in the Industrial Zone in Kehlen, composed of: - Hall (interior warehouse) of 848m2 net - Offices of 122m2 net on the ground floor - Exteriors: Screened storage: 225m2 Other storage space 174m2 Parking 220m2 (for 7 cars, including 2 vans) The hall has three sectional doors, two of which have a fixed (un)loading dock. Total monthly rent: €15,056.50 + VAT Agency commission covered by the lessee, equal to 15% of the annual rent + VAT. Availability: October 2024 (earlier availability may be possible). For any further information or to plan a visit, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

Office space for rent - Contern This office space in Contern, listed at €16,539 per month, offers 751.75 square meters of fully partitioned offices and meeting rooms located on the second floor. The property boasts an excellent parking ratio with one spot per 25 square meters of office space. Both exterior and interior parking options are available at €80.84 and €161.48 per month respectively. The premises are equipped with energy-efficient heating and air conditioning systems that optimize air circulation and promote energy recovery. The property provides several valuable amenities including free 24/7 fitness access, VIP reservations for a fully-equipped conference room accommodating up to 100 people, and electric vehicle charging stations. The location benefits from convenient access to nearby bus and train services, as well as an electric shuttle service. The building features active ceilings with horizontal acoustic barriers, a climate-controlled IT room, and fiber optic infrastructure. It is also accessible for persons with reduced mobility. The surrounding park and natural landscape offer a tranquil environment for employees, featuring green spaces and a small fitness area and a restaurant. The office space will be available from January 1, 2025, with the possibility of an earlier move-in date negotiable. A bank guarantee of six months' rent plus charges and VAT is required. Agency fees are covered by the landlord. For more information or to schedule a visit, please contact us at ### or ### . Want to know more?

Office space for rent in Contern priced at €16,539 per month. This office area, located at postcode 5326, offers a spacious 752m² on the first floor, already partitioned into individual offices. The rental rate is set at €22 per square meter per month, excluding VAT. Additionally, there is an excellent parking ratio of one space per 25m² of office area, with external parking available at €80.84 per month and internal parking at €161.48 per month. Common area charges are estimated at €2.50 per month, with private heating and air conditioning costs provisioned at €1 per month. The property features high-efficiency heating and air conditioning systems that optimize airflow for energy recovery, as well as active ceilings with horizontal acoustic barriers. Accessibility is ensured with facilities for persons with reduced mobility, and the infrastructure includes fiber-optic connectivity. A climate-controlled IT room, free 24/7 fitness access, VIP conference room booking (fully equipped for up to 100 people), and electric car charging stations are also part of the amenities. Public transportation options, including buses and trains, are nearby, complemented by an electric shuttle service. Surrounded by natural parkland, the location offers tranquility and greenery, providing employees with ideal spots for relaxation. Additional facilities include a small fitness area and a restaurant for convenience. The office will be available from January 1, 2025, with the possibility of an earlier move-in date upon discussion. A bank guarantee equal to six months' rent plus charges and VAT is required. The agency fees are covered by the property owner. For more information or to arrange a visit, please contact us at ### or ### . Want to know more?

Office space for rent in Contern available at a monthly rate of €7,575. This ground-floor property offers a spacious 344.34 m² area that is already partitioned into individual offices. The rental rate is set at €22/m²/month, excluding VAT. Parking is available at an excellent ratio of one spot per 25 m² of office space, with external parking spots costing €80.84/month and internal spots at €161.48/month, both excluding VAT. Additional communal charges are €2.50/month, and private charges for heating and air conditioning are €1/month, both excluding VAT. This office space is equipped with state-of-the-art amenities, including free 24/7 fitness access and VIP reservations for a fully equipped conference room that can accommodate up to 100 people. Electric car charging stations are also available, and the location is well-served by nearby bus and train connections complemented by an electric shuttle service. The building features energy-efficient heating and air conditioning systems, active ceilings with horizontal acoustic barriers, and fiber optic infrastructure. It also has wheelchair access and a climate-controlled IT room for enhanced functionality. Located in a serene natural park setting, the property offers a tranquil environment with green spaces for employees to enjoy. They can also benefit from an on-site fitness area and a restaurant. The office space will be available from January 1, 2025, though earlier occupancy can be discussed. For more information or to schedule a visit, please contact us at ### or ### . Want to know more?

FOR RENT - HALL / OFFICES - CAPELLEN We offer a large real estate complex for rent in the zoning in Capellen. A large outdoor storage area and parking spaces are included. The property is composed as follows: Ground floor warehouse: 426.10 m² Outdoor storage area: 348.50 m² (or space for up to 20 parking spots) 1st floor offices: 164 m² Mezzanine: 25.17 m2 Possibility to rent 10 additional parking spaces -Possibility to sublet Agency commission payable by the lessee = 1 month's rent + VAT. For any additional information or a visit, contact us at ### or ### Want to know more?

FOR RENT - HALL / OFFICES - CAPELLEN We offer a large real estate complex for rent in the zoning in Capellen. A large outdoor storage area and parking spaces are included. The property is composed as follows: Ground floor warehouse: 728 m² Outdoor storage area: 668 m² Offices: 328 m² 125 m2 of space for outdoor parking Possibility to rent 10 additional parking spaces -Possibility to sublet Agency commission payable by the lessee = 1 month's rent + VAT. For any additional information or a visit, contact us at ### or ### Want to know more?

1580sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412sqm, up to 1580sqm per floor (12.933sqm of offices in the complex). Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

980sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412m2, up to 1580m2 per floor. Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

975sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412m2, up to 1580m2 per floor. Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

875sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412m2, up to 1580m2 per floor. Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

880sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412m2, up to 1580m2 per floor. Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

855sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412sqm, up to 1580sqm per floor (12.933sqm of offices in the complex). Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

834sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412sqm, up to 1580sqm per floor (12.933sqm of offices in the complex). Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

562sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412sqm, up to 1580sqm per floor (12.933sqm of offices in the complex). Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

525sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412m2, up to 1580m2 per floor. Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

525sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412m2, up to 1580m2 per floor. Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

525sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412m2, up to 1580m2 per floor. Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?

520sqm of office spaces in this new building which meets the highest standards in terms of energy saving and well-being of the occupants. Monthly office rent: €24/sqm excluding VAT Monthly rent for archives: €12/sqm excluding VAT Monthly indoor parking rent: €180/unit excluding VAT Bank guarantee 6 months rent. Office space available to rent: from 412m2, up to 1580m2 per floor. Possibility of combining several office spaces thanks to the flexibility and modularity of the building. The spaces can be adapted, according to needs, into open platforms, meeting rooms or partitioned offices. Site easily accessible by the A4 and A6 motorways. Basement with a total of 346 indoor and 15 outdoor parking spaces, several of which are equipped for electric charging. Large bay windows for optimal brightness in the offices. Green spaces developed around the building. - BREEAM certification: Very good - False flooring - False ceilings with perforated and reversible hot/cold slats - Recessed LED lights - Facade in high quality mineral cladding - Triple glazing - Exterior blinds - High efficiency gas boilers - Connectivity and automation - Ventilation with heat exchangers - Showers in the basement with free access to occupants - Onsite restaurant with take-away service, soon in operation - Urban and green environment, close to Luxembourg city - Photovoltaic panels - Low loads - 3km from the Cessange cross, 4km from the Cloche d’or - Bus lines nearby: 404 Mertzig, 455 Kirchberg, 456 Kirchberg, 504 Thionville, 632 Bettembourg, 755 Capellen. - P+R Howald with 611 places nearby. For more information or a visit to the premises, contact us on ### or ### Want to know more?